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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 14, 2012 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: A recommended read

This is a pretty neat article on how the Dead are viewed by some musicians in the indie-rock scene:
http://www.jambands.com/news/2011/08/01/indie-rockers-celebrate-jerry-garcia-on-jerry-day

I found it through this excellent blog, which is largely devoted to Mike Nesmith & Jerry Garcia (and their respective bands), among others:
http://wheresthatsoundcomingfrom.blogspot.com/
The posts & videos on the Dead are highly recommended.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: May 14, 2012 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

"The May 14, 1974 ‘Dark Star’ performed in Missoula, Montana sounds like ‘In A Silent Way’ as interpreted by Sonic Youth but nearly every performance of ‘Lazy Lightnin’’ sounds like coke-snorting yuppies getting funky in tie-dyed Izods"

HA!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 14, 2012 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

SY & Nirvana are hardly 'indie'...

Bring Me The Head Of Jerry Garcia

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 14, 2012 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

Yeah, 'indie' is a pretty vague catch-all term.

Still knocks me out, though, that Kurt Cobain's best friend was a Dead fan. Hard to imagine guys in that punk/metal scene digging 'Mountains of the Moon'! Goes to show...

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 14, 2012 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am there...

Ha--had to quote this section as it describes just what I've become (context: new DEAD listeners are selective):

"...This means little to the new breed of Dead listener who—like Geologist—may’ve only seen the band once, far past their peak. “I don’t listen to much beyond ‘74,” he admits. Don’t wanna hear any of Brent Mydland’s over-affected blues-growl? Delete! All straight on Weir’s “Looks Like Rain” freak outs? They don’t exist! Junkie guitarist? What junkie guitarist? The generation of jambands that perverted the Dead’s legacy into “grassroots marketing” and a demographic to be targeted with key chains and branded rolling papers? Merely an illusion!

Experimental guitarist and electronic musician Greg Davis perhaps best encapsulated the filtering from a musicological point of view. In 2005, the Burlington musician distributed a bootleg, DJ-style mix of Grateful Dead music fashioned from feedback jams, Lesh’s electronic experiments with Ned Lagin, Merry Prankster babble, collaged chunks of Anthem of the Sun, and a little bit of sunshine folk. Mydland does not appear...."

That last line?

CLASSIC!

EDIT: WTF? This is a GOLD mine, LiA...had to add this comment to the article above, since it is probably someone here that has written this about me, eh?

Frickin too good:

"...This article is garbage...“I don’t listen to anything past ’74”...oh really? you must be so sophisticated and well informed to have such a developed opinion…This shit is ridiculous…You conclude the article by saying now that the dead isn’t touring around punks and hipsters and quit hating the dead because now they are stylish…which by the way, have you heard of Furthur? Jerry Love FTW..."

This post was modified by William Tell on 2012-05-14 17:49:22

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 14, 2012 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am there...

Yeah, the comments to that article are just ridiculous! What a narrow-minded spectrum. (The blogger I linked to talks a bit about them.)

It's true that Dead listeners can be very selective these days, phasing out whole eras & band-members...
Probably Deadheads back in the day would've been just as selective in their tastes, but of course, if you were going to a show in the '70s-90s, you had no choice but to see the whole show, with whatever keyboardist was there!

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 14, 2012 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am there...

Yeah, I was struck by that too--how cranky can you be?! I generally find these sorts of articles to touch on any number of points I consider reasonable, sometimes new and different, but always enjoyable (I may be easy to please)...then, the folks that respond/reply/comment, invariably rake the person over the coals--suppose that is self selection in the extreme.

I thought it was really funny, though, that both the author and the commentators could've written those couple of brief sections about "me", so to speak. I've often felt my "nothing past 71" conveys a sense of self-importance, and of my having "arrived" (at higher consciousness, of course), blah, blah, blah.

All true, no doubt.

Anyhow, love the stuff on the Monkees--SStills, etc., etc; can't get my surviving older brother to concede they had at least some talent...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: May 15, 2012 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am there...

"how cranky can you be?!"

pretty cranky :)

(Haven't read any of these articles yet, hope to get time.) Just sayin' :)

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 14, 2012 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

These are a couple of the other articles mentioned -

http://www.arthurmag.com/2009/05/20/uncle-skullfuckers-band-daniel-chamberlin-explains-the-discreet-charm-of-the-grateful-dead/

http://www.arthurmag.com/2009/05/19/how-to-get-into-the-grateful-dead-originally-pubd-in-arthur-no-18sept-2005/

http://www.thefader.com/2011/08/01/jerry-garcia-american-beauty/ (good picture selection!)

And for WT, a short review of 10/12/68 - http://www.arthurmag.com/2009/08/06/heavy-primal-dead-from-october-12-1968/

This is the Greg Davis Dead-mix that was referenced:
http://www.arthurmag.com/2009/08/05/wednesday-music-a-56-minute-grateful-dead-mix-by-greg-davis/
Of which my favorite part is the comment:
"There is, for the impatient listener, a lot of “other stuff” to sift through to get to the reward. Like the ’74 Dark Star that Chamberlin wrote about. The payoff is great, but yeah…it’s like watching a beetle or a turtle try to get upright."

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 14, 2012 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

Great reading so far. How many good lines can one collection of articles have?!?

The Daniel Chamberlin article is so well-written and interesting. His description of the 90s and the "gentle rainbow twirly groovin’ bear nonsense" makes me glad I came around before that appeared ... actually, I thought it was kind of appealing and even encouraging, but it really was different. In my experience, anyway. I honestly don't know what I'd have thought of the Dead if I'd been, say, 16 in 1990.

I've definitely had people tell me they never got into the Dead, or never listened to them for years, because they couldn't stand Deadheads. Usually if it's that extreme a reaction ("couldn't stand" Deadheads), they're in the age group where they're talking about the rainbow twirly Deadheads. Only later can they actually come to appreciate the music.

Btw, if the Dead is getting a little bit "hip" (are they really?), that's certainly a good thing. It's easy to bash "hipster" attitude, but if there isn't SOME kind of community praising it/introducing it/rediscovering it, the music doesn't really survive.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: May 15, 2012 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

"it’s like watching a beetle or a turtle try to get upright."

Ouch

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Poster: Skobud Date: May 14, 2012 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

...."but nearly every performance of ‘Lazy Lightnin’’ sounds like coke-snorting yuppies getting funky in tie-dyed Izods,”

Holy shit that's funny. Great article.

Now WTF is a "hipster"..... Are they those dooshbags I see with a winter stocking caps(regardless of weather) and super tight super low jeans with huge glasses and an 11th grader beard, usually sporting some type of ironic Tshirt?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 14, 2012 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

I've concluded that I'm a hipster. I know this now, because of the clue in this cartoon. See, I had to look up "hipster." That makes me really un-hip. Also, I have an iPod, which is un-hip, and ... well, actually, none of this fits. But the clue is, "keds are cool 'cause they're not." Aha! A hipster is NOT cool! Excellent. I can go with that. I am now a hipster, cuz I'm not.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m31uvtxESQ1rtilfxo1_400.jpg

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Poster: Skobud Date: May 15, 2012 5:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

Put a winter hat on this dude in the middle of summer and you nailed it with this one Althea! These kids are all over the place in Western New York.

I love the "Jeremy Irons intellectual look"

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Poster: JackDog Date: May 14, 2012 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

Here's a free tip for bloggers: You don't need your entire blog to be on the first page. I tried to go to that wheresthatsoundcomingfrom blog 4 different times and it froze up and then crashed my browser every time. I'm at work and I still have a computer using Windows 98, and it just can't handle all of the stuff that was being loaded on that website.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 14, 2012 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

There's actually only a few posts on the first page; the trouble is that most of his posts are crammed with pics & embedded youtube videos, which jam up the loading. Snazzy in a sense, but not always user-friendly. Personally I have a no-images, no-videos rule on my own blog (a couple exceptions), which is my reaction against this kind of thing....most people would consider that quaint, though!

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 14, 2012 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A recommended read

Hey JD--that one has a crap load of stuff embedded within it (ie, links to video, audio, etc., etc), so it's no wonder it's causing problems...I've never seen so much archived stuff linked at various pts within some review.